[Admin]

Has anyone written, had published and is selling their own physical books and making money onlineonline?

I"ve been seeing more and more where some of the online money processors like PayPal and the like aren't backing up the sellers like they were at one time if they are selling digital products. It's bad enough to get no support and have to give a refund, but now these places are charging the seller if they end up having to refund someone.

Personally, I think it might be smarter to go with physical products versus digital anyway because they give the customer something tangible for their money, but books especially seem to pick up more authenticity, and hold much more value and authority if they are a physically published work.

Years ago I wrote a short book and had it published. It wasn't a big seller, so I ended up giving free copies of it away. It was about Spiritual matters and the church. I had a cookbook published about a year and a half ago that is still on the shelves pulling in a profit. The worse part about it is that I never built a site for it. I let it do whatever. Yeah, I know that sounds bad, and now I'm regretting it a little. I've been concentrating on digital products since I started my own online business and didn't take notice until the last few months.

I am planning to write a couple more physical books though to put up and sell through Amazon and possibly Barnes & Noble ® and Books-A -Million. Right now, I have 3 about half way done, and a book of written out skits for organizational use.

Only this time I'm planning on putting up sites for all of them. It might take me a little longer to finish them up and get them published and printed, but I think it will be worth it in the end because the sales will be better, and I will most likely be able to sell them at a higher price. Also, I think the physical books will last so much longer on the shelf. They will also most likely draw in the media more and get publisised.

Sure, there have been some good ebooks that's lasted over the years and were passed down to thers, but the najority of them fizzle out right after the original launch.

What do you guys think about Physical books versus digital? Do you think selling physical books is better over selling digital ones?

[JamesStein]

The problem is 80% of ebooks are junk ... Very very few are packed full of real information because people have been told...

* you must build a list
* you must have up-sells
* you must have cross-sells
* you must have down-sells
* you must have OTO pages

And this list goes on and on... So people create an ebook with little info anf mostly fluff to get you on a list and push all their every-sales pages (up, down, sideways, cross, inside, outside, and any other name these posers make up for a sales page).

People do not be told to give value anymore, sure some mention that on a forum but when others run by and give this advice or that advice and 1,000 dummy followers say great advice..

Which one is the newbie going to listen to : the dude that said give value or the poser with his 1,000 blind mice praising his junky products ??

As usual fake, wannabe, poser marketers ruin everything...

James

[Dean]

I paid $5 to the creators of the games script James uses and I couldn't get it back because Paypal said it was for digital product and they weren't interested.

So I wonder if they reversed fees on the guy and stole the money. It all sounds suspicious to me.

[Admin]

James,

I agree they have spoiled it for everyone. But, not all ebooks are terrible. Lol I sent one that I wrote to you a while back that was solid infomation that will help anyone do well with the SEs.

Originally Posted by JamesStein

The problem is 80% of ebooks are junk ... Very very few are packed full of real information because people have been told...

* you must build a list
* you must have up-sells
* you must have cross-sells
* you must have down-sells
* you must have OTO pages

And this list goes on and on... So people create an ebook with little info anf mostly fluff to get you on a list and push all their every-sales pages (up, down, sideways, cross, inside, outside, and any other name these posers make up for a sales page).

People do not be told to give value anymore, sure some mention that on a forum but when others run by and give this advice or that advice and 1,000 dummy followers say great advice..

Which one is the newbie going to listen to : the dude that said give value or the poser with his 1,000 blind mice praising his junky products ??

As usual fake, wannabe, poser marketers ruin everything...

James

Hey Dean,

They very well could have. Lol it all seems strang to me, but then again all the payment processors are getting like that so they can make more money. Heck, take a look at the banks here in the US. The US gov bailed them out, now the banks are trying to rook everyone to get even more money.

Originally Posted by Dean

I paid $5 to the creators of the games script James uses and I couldn't get it back because Paypal said it was for digital product and they weren't interested.

So I wonder if they reversed fees on the guy and stole the money. It all sounds suspicious to me.

[matthemattrix]

I think that there will always be a market for actual physical books. And if you can publish them yourself cheaply and then promote them on the internet it can be a viable option, since you'll keep a big chunk of the sale. I haven't done it yet but I do intent to in the coming years.

One site that looks promising for this is Lulu.

[Admin]

Matthematrix,

Yeah I agree. There will always be a market. It's just a shame that most people are short sighted, and only go for the quick cash.

And yeah, Lulu's is a good place to do that, but much more reputable places are the major book stores like Barnes & Noble, Amazon, etc ...

Originally Posted by matthemattrix

I think that there will always be a market for actual physical books. And if you can publish them yourself cheaply and then promote them on the internet it can be a viable option, since you'll keep a big chunk of the sale. I haven't done it yet but I do intent to in the coming years.

One site that looks promising for this is Lulu.

[Jim Gillum]

For years the "how to make money guys" have said..
Scrape the net ...gather info and junk together a book...e type and get rich because it costs almost nothing to produce.....

A bunch of folks flooded the net and poluted the market.....

Then another bunch of newbie bought that cra* and have given the ebook a bad rap...

Fortunastely a lot of those people have crashed....
Opened the market for quality producers to fill the gap...once they have established a solid rep.....

[Admin]

Jim,

Yeah, I totally agree with you. There are still crap ebooks out on the market though, but if one builds their rep up by putting a good solid product out they'll have it made.

However, I do know that physical books sell at a higher price and sell better. At the moment the people outside of IM basically want something tangible for their money. It might be an economical thing but then again it might not be. Who knows really. And to be honest about it, offering both types would really be the way to go in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Jim Gillum

For years the "how to make money guys" have said..
Scrape the net ...gather info and junk together a book...e type and get rich because it costs almost nothing to produce.....

A bunch of folks flooded the net and poluted the market.....

Then another bunch of newbie bought that cra* and have given the ebook a bad rap...

Fortunastely a lot of those people have crashed....
Opened the market for quality producers to fill the gap...once they have established a solid rep.....

[Jim Gillum]

I see a lot more risk with a physical product and the logistics involved with the printing and shipping...(from the self publishing aspect)

[Admin]

What you say is true for some people Jim, and I've seen cases like that come up over the years. But lol my brother is an editor and works for a publishing company, and a fairly known one that can back something up.

Originally Posted by Jim Gillum

I see a lot more risk with a physical product and the logistics involved with the printing and shipping...(from the self publishing aspect)

[Jim Gillum]

I'll keep that in mind ...
If I ever finish my mystery novel...

[shekdp]

I never tried sell/publish a physical book as I feel it takes lot more effort when you write manually than typing. Also, there is risk of your idea being stolen when you write/type on paper. When you do it in digital books you can have password for it
Though there are also at some risk, but they are lesser risk

[Jim Gillum]

Once you disclose your idea in any format it could, in theory, be stolen...

Then there is always the copyright law....

[Admin]

Jim,

That's what I was thinking when reading shek's post. It's all up for grabs when it comes into the wtrong hands. Breaking copyrights can be done with both digital or or physical products.

Originally Posted by Jim Gillum

Once you disclose your idea in any format it could, in theory, be stolen...

Then there is always the copyright law....

[Jim Gillum]

And there are so many ways to copy information...even from password locked books....

I would not even worry about it.....

The cheaters will find a way.....

[shekdp]

Originally Posted by Jim Gillum

Once you disclose your idea in any format it could, in theory, be stolen...

Then there is always the copyright law....

Yup, cheater can copy idea even on digital format, but it is after you have published the book in digital format, before that it is not possible though for digital books
And when you have physical book, you make a hard copy first to submit for publishing and it takes around 1 day, right ? In 1 day anything can happen..
and if nothing happens then it is published, but online it is done in few seconds

@Jim Gillum
Hey There is no way that cheater can crack the password, if you use give a strong password, or by encrypting the password via RSA. And You might be knowing that RSA cannot be decrypted unless you the actual key or you have super computer, and none of the cheater can effort super computer